Ponies, ponies, ponies
Talking to an author whose works you have loved for years is something of a strange experience. The first time I talked to Josephine PulleinThompson, I was involved in the start up of Fidra Books, and was trying to trace the copyright of Joanna Cannan’s children’s books. I had written to Cavalier Paperbacks, run by Christine Pullein-
I didn’t actually meet Josephine until December 2007, when I asked her if she’d mind being interviewed for my website. She suggested I come for lunch, which, as you can imagine, I was quite pleased about. I was asked by a friend if I thought I’d manage to ask her anything or whether I’d be tongue-
Josephine had asked me before I went if there was anything I didn’t like to eat: alarmingly little, but I failed to mention boiled eggs, which we had (stuffed) to start with, and which I made a pretty feeble attempt at. Josephine commented on this, and said she’d only ever met two other people who didn’t like them. I asked who they were: one was apparently a very boring Lord. She is however not the sort of person to make you feel uneasy because you don’t like boiled eggs, or judged: you don’t feel you have to come up to her standards conversationally, and she is very approachable. After lunch I ended up balancing on a ladder getting books down from a tall cupboard for her, carrying on the conversation about her books as I did so!
Josephine was awarded the Golden Pen by PEN the night before I visited her, and was quietly proud. She had 90% of the vote, and now has a Golden Pen, which is awarded for a Lifetime’s Distinguished Service to Literature. To put this in context, previous winners include Doris Lessing, Iris Murdoch and last year, Michael Holroyd. Josephine has been involved with PEN for many years, and was its President between 1994-
We met in Josephine’s terraced house in London, where she has been for a good 30 years now. Her sitting room is calm, green and lined with books -
Pony books were a different beast for Josephine than they were for later generations. Until her mother [Joanna Cannan] introduced pony books written from the point of view of the child with A Pony for Jean in 1936, pony books were mainly tales told by the pony. “I read Black Beauty eight times; I read Moorland Mousie and I liked Nibs [by Ethel Nokes], and Mottistone’s My Horse Warrior. I loved Victorian books with deathbed scenes. The twins liked pirates. I used to like Nat Gould, who was a very lowbrow racing novelist. I used to buy his cheap paperbacks from the local newsagent. At sixteen I was passionate about the novels of Jane Austen and Anthony Trollope and then I discovered Social History, which is still one of my interests.”
Pony books became increasingly popular from the 1930s, as did riding. I asked Josephine why she thought this was. “I think Princess Elizabeth had much to do with this. She helped to change the type of person who wanted to ride. And children who didn’t ride at all still loved ponies, and had them in their imaginations. Girls have to love seomthing and at that age loving a pony is better than loving a pop star. We found that some of our girl pupils had no particular ambition to be good riders: they really preferred looking after ponies, but the boys all had to ride well quickly or they gave up.”
After her first book, It Began with Picotee, written with her sisters Christine and Diana, Josephine’s first solo novel was Six Ponies, which is one of my own favourites, and the start of the Noel and Henry series. It is the story of a Pony Club, the West Barsetshire, their instructor, Major Holbrooke, and the six New Forest ponies the Pony Club has to break in. The children in it range from the wealthy June and Susan, to Noel, who only manages to ride when she can borrow a pony: but it does not matter how much money they have when they come to break in one of the New Forest Ponies.
Much of Six Ponies was written on the roof of the telephone exchange in Reading during the war, where Josephine was a telephone engineer. She was first at the Army Remount Depot but had to leave after she became ill, though while she was there, Rosemary Robertson, who illustrated Picotee, became a friend. The inspiration for Six Ponies came from what sounds a rather unlikely source: Charlotte M Yonge’s The Six Cushions, published in 1867. ”Mama collected the books of Charlotte M Yonge, and I bought Six Cushions for her from a second hand book stall. It was interesting because of its characters. I wanted a broad canvas for my first solo book, not a first person story, and this writer managed to tell you so much about six girls and their families by describing their trials and successes in making six cushions. It seemed to me the six people breaking in ponies would make a much more exciting story. And I could also explore their families.”
Although Six Ponies was written in war time, it doesn’t mention the war at all, and I asked Josephine about this. “No, I decided to leave the War out of the book. I was fifteen when it started, and after four years it began to look as though we would win and everything would change. No bombs, no blackouts, no rationing of food and clothes. Men would come home and organise things again. Pony Clubs would restart. There would be petrol for cars. So I tried to place Six Ponies in the future, but really it was set in the England of the 1930s.”
Six Ponies was the start of the Noel and Henry series, which ended with Pony Club Camp. This book is that most rare of creatures in its era: a pony book with romance, although it’s very lightly drawn, and even “the kiss” between Noel and Henry isn’t definite: I like to think they did. Pony Club Camp was Josephine’s most popular book. “I had the most fan mail ever after “the kiss”, with people begging “please, please, can they get married!” I had to write a lot of letters explaining what happened next: Henry went into the Army. He joined a cavalry regiment and was stationed in Germany. There he rode in dressage competitions and fell in love with a German dressage rider. When Noel heard about it she was very shaken. Then, his miitary service over, he came back. By this time Noel had had several boy friends, but they got together again and eventually married.” I’ve always thought John and Susan, two other characters from the series, would make a good couple, and Josephine said yes, they could well have got married. People did in Pony Club -
Pony Club Camp was not however Josephine’s personal favourite. “My favourite book was All Change, which I wrote in Dorset.” All Change is another book which explores families, but this one has added tensions. The Conway family are faced with the possible loss of their father’s job, and therefore their home after the estate of which he is manager is bought by a City financier. The story is about two different worlds adapting to each other, and is another of my favourites. My Armada paperback has been read far more times than it was designed for. I like the children’s independence, and the way their view of life changes. I like their ham-
Josephine’s books are very often about characters who change: and not always for the better. John Manners, who appears in the Noel and Henry series, changes from a boy who cannot control his temper and is even cruel at times, to a reliable and capable boy. Christopher Minton, on the other hand, evolves from a rather charming incompetence to single-
All Change and Pony Club Camp both caused ups and downs with Josephine’s publishers. Ernest Benn, who published All Change, objected to the word “bloody” as a swear word. There is also an unpleasant character in the book who calls someone “a Jew boy”. This was important to the story, but there was uproar. Josephine did however, after much arguing, get both past her publishers. Interestingly Benn objected to “bloody”, but not “Jew boy”, whereas Armada, who published the paperback, didn’t like “Jewboy”, but let “bloody” pass.
The biggest fuss came with “the kiss” in Pony Club Camp, after which Josephine was told not to write any more of the series. “This liking for a series about Peter Pan characters was common in publishing at that time whereas I saw them as real children and took pleasure in knowing them as they grew up.” Pony Club Camp was published in 1957, but 20 years later, publishers’ views had not changed. Josephine wrote another series, the Moor books, which featured two sisters, Frances and Louisa Burnett. Hodder & Stoughton told her she must not make the main characters any older, and so the Moor books had to start again in effect with a younger set of characters in the last two books.
The characters and background for the Moors books came from Josephine’s time helping with the Pony Club on Bodmin Moor. “The background for the Moor books came from my visits to the Pony Club there, but not the characters. They will look for themselves in vain!” The sisters’ time running a riding school provided a rich source of characters, both human and equine. “There was a Mrs Cresswell -
Major Holbrooke however was an invention. Interestingly, Josephine didn’t ever want him drawn (and he isn’t ever: which hadn’t occurred to me before). He wasn’t described as such either. “This was because reading a novel by Trollope called Phineas Finn, I fell in love with Phineas until 50 pages into the book Trollope describes his beard. Beards were completely out of fashion at that time, so it was a big turn off. I felt incapable of describing Major Holbrooke so that he would appeal to every reader, so I decided to let them imagine him for themselves.” Like most readers, I expect, I have a vivid picture of the Major despite the lack of description. My Major is tall, lean, with a similarly tall and lean wife. I told Josephine this, and she laughed, smiled and said no more, so I still don’t know if my picture matches hers, or indeed what her picture is.
Josephine’s books have a fairly equal number of male and female characters, which is one explanation for why boys liked her books too. At a talk she did at a comprehensive she was introduced to a boy of 13 who had read Show Jumping Secret nine times. The talks she gave to schools provided the inspiration for some of her characters. At one school she was introduced to an Indian boy at a school talk, and he became the character Harif or Harry in Pony Club Cup. Ideas for stories came from many different sources. “A friend told me the story of two families living together. I said “Can I have that please?” and made it horsey. I just knew I could write it.” That book became The No-
Interestingly, although the sisters had ponies called Rocket and Northwind, neither of the ponies called this in Six Ponies were based on them. Rose Bay, whom they bred and who Josephine described as “very over inspired”, was the inspiration for Adonis in Prince Among Ponies. “I was in the loosebox when he was foaled, and later broke and schooled him and rode him in One Day Events.” In the initial drawings for Prince Among Ponies, Adonis looked like a cob and had to be sent back. Josephine felt that no illustrator ever read the books properly -
Josephine’s last pony book was A Job with Horses (1994). This was written as part of J A Allen’s Junior Fiction Series. Caroline Akrill, a well-
his book as a pony book, its title has never seemed odd, but A Job With Horses was actually a working title for the book. J A Allen stuck with that title, with the result that many people assumed it was a technical book and not a story. After this came the autobiographical Fair Girls and Grey Horses, published in 1999, 50 years after Six Ponies It was written by all three sisters and is a fascinating account of their childhood.
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Update: sadly, Josephine Pullein-